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Rare Book Monthly

New Letter

Letters to the Editor

. June 06, 2005

Article re phishing.


Many thanks for the warnings. Just a note to say that both e-bay and paypal request that the recipient of requests for updating info should forward the spoof email to them, as it is, before deletion so that they can check it out and act.


addresses: for those in UK

spoof@paypal.com
spoof@ebay.co.uk


Regards

Elizabeth


Peter Reynolds June 02, 2005

Ref M-Bags..........(June 2005 issue of AE Monthly)



We have them too here in the UK. I use them to send to my regular foreign customers. Unfortunately we have to have a "destination sort" contract with the Royal Mail to spend GBP 2500 (nigh on $5000 at present) before we get to use this particular service. We also get to do all the bagging and tagging ourselves, and account for the services through a posting docket book. They go at three speeds, Economy, Standard, and Priority.



As for packaging boxes to go in M-Bags - I would recommend the following:



* Wrap all valuable items singly in strong bubble-wrap before putting in box.

* For less valuable items make sure page edges of books are away from each other, spines towards each other inside the box.

* Use a strong box.

* Use lots of brown tape to seal all edges and in all directions.



I would apply these procedures to all mailings of books in boxes by any method, but especially to M-Bags as these sacks get thrown violently onto vehicles and shipping containers, a good number of times on their journey. My international customers frequently commend my packaging, whereas some books coming from USA by this method (even in strong boxes) have come to grief. I particularly remember some expensive edge-bound photocopy reproductions of old books that my father ordered for resale. A good number of them arrived with the plastic edge-binders broken (studs snapped etc).



Kind regards



Peter Reynolds

www.peterreynoldsbooks.co.uk


Mark Alexander June 02, 2005

Dear Mr. McKinney,

Michael Stillman's review of my little "publishing promotions" catalog was greatly appreciated. To be included among rather spectacular catalogs by some of our finest booksellers was indeed a thrill. I read every word of AE for the knowledge to be gained to be sure, but as with Michael's review the writing is generally of very high quality and hard to put down (so to speak).

As a new dealer and a fairly specialized one - mostly modern poetry, I have not yet become a "full-fledged" member of AE's community. You have and are certainly helping me more than I could ever have expected.

Thank you. Please thank Michael for his review and for understanding that some of those little items may be quite collectible some day.

Best regards,

Mark Alexander - Alexander Rare Books


Ron Weir June 02, 2005

Hi Bruce:

I have been receiving your monthly publication for at least a year (I think it started arriving last February--2004, but I could be wrong) and I want to thank you for the excellent articles and for their content and scope.

Like most older dealers, I started out of my house in 1961 running a part-time book search service. In those days, this consisted of writing lots of letters to lots of dealers looking for a specific title or author, according to the wants of a few "customers". Sales were few, but I met a lot of nice dealers around the world as I specialized in polar expeditions for 30 years.

Now that we have www, the trade has changed considerably, as you are well aware. Now, a dealer can reach any house in the world to inquire about their inventory, or a host of other items. It has made the task much easier, and also damned near unnecessary.

I still have several clients who are interested in special areas of collecting and call upon me to help them, but generally the e-bay culture has made it so easy to find out if a volume is available in a matter of minutes, instead of days. Additionally the ability to search using the ABE and other book listings make pricing much easier.

Again, I want to thank you for your excellent service. I am interested in joining your service, if you would be kind enough to direct me to the proper search entry. Meanwhile, thank you for the articles and for the consistent updates on items of interest. Best wishes.

Ron Weir
Collector's Cache
Roseburg, OR., 97470


Katrine Gibson June 02, 2005

I would like to thank Renee Magriel Roberts for her article mentioning
U-PIC Insurance Services. We do take great pride in providing our
clients with the best rates and fast turn around on claims. From the
article we have had two inquires so far as to what our insurance can do
for them. I would like to send a thank you to Renee Roberts for
referring business to us. Again, Many Thanks!


Meryll Williams June 02, 2005

RE: "M is for M-Bag" by Renee Magriel Roberts from June 2005 AE Monthly.

You might be interested to know that Australia Post has this same type of shipping. It is called Print post direct bag international. It is seamail to most of the world but airmail is available to Asia. Minimum of 5 kilo, maximum of 16 kilo. Cost seamail $4.95au per kilo (minimum $24.75au), cost airmail $6au per kilo (minumum charge $30au).


Thanks for an interesting newsletter.


Mary May 24, 2005

I am sending this note to suggest another topic for a future article.

Would you discuss the workings of m-bags? My post office is clueless about this so I can't ask them. How fast are they?

Regards!

Mary

for

Angie's Bookshelf


Editor's Note: Renee Roberts will be writing about this topic for the June 2005 edition of AE Monthly.


? February 01, 2005

Says who Mr. Stillman? hmmmmm........why not just toss all those original oil paintings from Rembrandt and Van Gogh and, aw what the heck, ya don't need to preserve those Pyramids down in Egypt and while your at it, that Colliseum in Rome and Acropo-whatever-they-call-it over there in Athens, well, hell, the historians can study the digitized parts of it. We need parking lots to park the cars with all the people Mr. Stillman thinks should be using their time and money more "productively". Go figure.


Response:

The above comments pertain to the last paragraph of the article on recent book thefts. Click here to read the article.

The paragraph discussed questioned the importance of libraries having vast sums of money tied up in rare old books in the digital age, as these books become readily available in digitized form online. I think the writer has somewhat misunderstood my point. The issue is not whether these old books should be preserved. It is a question of what role a particular library sees itself playing in its community. To the extent it sees its role as preservation of physical copies, something like a museum, its rare book collections remain relevant. However, if a library sees its role as providing information to its patrons, in this case, the information within these books, then investing large sums in rare old books may no longer make sense. Buying one of the few, expensive copies extant of an old book made sense when this was the only way to make its text available to patrons or researchers, but once the library can make that text available in other, less expensive ways, it may choose to shift some of those dollars from purchasing expensive physical copies to making additional text and information from less expensive sources (digital) available to its patrons. Again, it's a matter of what the individual library sees as its role, and if it is both providing information and preservation, just what that balance should be.

Mike Stillman


Bill McBride December 19, 2004

Your reviewer, Ms. Roberts, seems to have gotten what we intended from the major works, but we find the tone in reviewing Book Collecting for Fun & Profit to be somewhat less positive.

Understand we do not wish to pick a fight with an organization that's provided free positive publicity for our publications, but we are obligated to defend our work.

Specific disagreements:

1. Our revision was prepared in 2001 for 2002 publication. How then could we be "ignoring" your web site, which we cannot find existed before 2002, the date of your earliest monthly issue? In 2001, far less was available on the internet than is now. Google was one of a dozen or so search engines out there, not the predominant first choice it is now. And the information available in 2001 was also of varying completeness, accuracy and universality. So while the number of resources on the internet has increased, we did not "ignore" the basic resource that the internet is, though we did not mention specifically all of possibly useful sites for reasons of space availability. Should we prepare a third edition, we would naturally point to the internet as a great resource for bibliographical information. {Though just now, I could not find an on-line bibliography with descriptive information and points of issue of either Mark Twain or William Faulkner available as an on-line resource. Hmmmmmm.]

2. "Tantalizing" reference to changing "browsing as we know it"? Glad to tantalize, but I think the conclusion is clearly stated without belaboring it.

3. Everyone starts as an "amateur" in the pure sense of the word and all its radiated meanings: one who loves the activity for its own sake, not for profit. Our guide was for just such a person, one who loves books and loves finding them, touching them, reading them, using them for their intended purpose, and then, perhaps, valuing them as rarities. We wrote this book for the beginner, yet included information that I do not believe any bookseller, regardless of experience, would know automatically. One of those who read the text was Everett Whitlock, manager for almost 50 years of Whitlock Farm Booksellers in Bethany, Connecticut, and whose family was in the rare book business for all of the 20th Century and part of the 19th and 21st. He found information about terminology with which he was unfamiliar. So, thin as it is, our book contains the starting point for anyone, regardless of experience, from none to lots, to begin collecting with some knowledge at hand.

4. Our statements on valuing are "simplistic"? In what way? Are they inaccurate? Is the list incomplete as to what makes a book valuable? Is the list in the wrong order? What further should we have included? Criticism without correction is valueless for both your audience and for the author always seeking a better product.

5. "Post your best and see what happens" is "silly and inadequate"? Again, lacking the Great Corrector's Red Pencil, I would need to know at least a tantalizing hint of what would have been preferred.

In today's internet book market, there is a huge saturation of almost any title from $5-$500 in current market value, and many even highly valued and priced items.

Two examples:

A fellow bookdealer not involved in rare books is offered a set of the works of Charles Dudley Warner, limited edition of 612 sets with volume 1 containing a CDW-related original manuscript page and in fine leather bindings. Containing two works co-authored with Mark Twain, a desirable set, of which a scant number were printed. Rare? One would think. The dealer asked me to help determine value. A quick look on ABEbooks found at least a dozen sets from $650-2500! Valuable, one would agree, but desirable, maybe not. This illustrates our basic statement that rarity does not equal value.

A local museum mounts a major exhibition; a fat catalog is prepared with a definitive text. One printing is made, fixing the quantity available. Some years later, an unknown cataloguer is the very first to put this item for sale on the internet and unilaterally decides the book is worth, say, $300.00. All cataloguers from then on would use that price as a benchmark, though that would not necessarily mean the book is worth, on average, $300.00. Only that all copies catalogued would be worth more or less than $300.00 based on condition and seller's desire to sell. But if nobody finds this book worth $300, here's what happens: anyone cataloguing it from then on, who looks it up before posting his copy, would add to the quantity available. But not necessarily add to the placement of any copy in the hands of someone who wanted or needed it because the price would still be beyond what any buyer would agree that it is worth. Fortunately, the establishment of such benchmarks is becoming harder and harder to create as almost any title is available with multiple copies to choose from. But the principle sustains.

All goods being equal, if they ever are in used anything, nobody smarter than a geranium would seek anything but the best price/best condition combination. But to compete (meaning: sell books) in such an overloaded marketplace as a seller, one needs to consider whether the desire to receive the top price for a given item is more or less important that getting any price at all, that is, selling it. So the seller is guided in our book to get his books out there and let the marketplace decide if his are the ones to buy. Evaluate, grade, describe, price, post. Again, a geranium can do it. And what could be more obvious?

6. Shipping? In thirty years of packing and shipping books as we describe, we have never had a book
lost, damaged or found to have arrived in anything but completely acceptable condition anywhere in
the world. As to what is the "well-presented product" I cannot imagine. If that means wrapping in tissue, then brown paper, then bubblewrap, then a double box, sure that looks great on arrival. But what's wanted is not the elaborate overkill of wrappings, but what's inside. Once the wraps are off, they are discarded. Our intent was to descibe a safe, efficient, simple way to pack and ship, one that cannot endanger the books, and one proven successful for a long time. Maybe "well-presented" means a battery-powered fanfare that plays when shipments are opened? Tut-tut-ta-DAAAAAAAAAA!

[Note: This letter continued in next message]


. December 19, 2004



7. Auction Records as helpers for pricing. An auction is a snapshot of particular value for a particular item at a particular moment, not the establishment of THE price for a like item. Auction records are only valuable in their descriptions so that one can establish the amount of equivalence between what was sold at Swann's and what you have in your hands. Even auction records culled from sales over many years and sales do not necessarily fix value for any item as its variance in condition or provenance alters value as does, as the auctioneers say, the "money in the room". Changes in collecting, specific author popularity peaks, fads and fantasies all come into play. When Salman Rushdie published "The Satanic Verses" and was condemned by the Ayatollah, the book spiked in value. Now it can be had for a fraction of that top price. Thus auction records from 1989-90 might suggest the value at $500. Not anymore.

8. The global marketplace. Again, I point out that when we created the 2nd edition in 2001, the global internet was only beginning. We did not "ignore" it as it is implied in the section about the internet being the World? Greatest Price Guide. We do not exclude any available internet bookselling venue as a potential source for information.

9. Half of our title says "Building a Book Collection" and about half the book is devoted to the beginner, getting the feet wet without standing one one's head and drowning to do it. Perhaps some of what we say is too obvious to the advanced seller, but then, isn't it good that we inform that beginner about the terminology, scope, methods, and realities of the book collecting dodge rather than let them wander into a bookshop blind, deaf and mute?

10. Internet fraud? Again, without particulars, there is no hope of improvement, which we always seek. If the reviewer means mispresentation of goods, failure to deliver, failure to refund, or any other like problem, these are covered in one's credit card, PayPal and bank literature as to what remedies are available. Some things need not be said within the scope of a book like ours. What we do not say we should say, you do not say.


Bill McBride


Editor's Note

In reviewing the three McBride books, bookseller Renee Magriel Roberts recommended two, the titles on identifying first editions and on points of issue, but did not find the one on book collecting sufficiently helpful. To quote the musical artist "Meatloaf," "two out of three ain't bad." The following link will take you to Ms. Roberts' original article, which includes a link at the end to the McBride site where these books may be purchased: McBride Books Website.


anya November 12, 2004

If you have information about this book " White House CookBook" can you let me know. I have one of them , it belongs to my mother and I cannot find any history on it. It was printed in 1907.
Thank you ,

Anya




Reponse:

If what you have is the Ziemann/Gillette cookbook, it was first published in 1887 by Fanny Gillette. Apparently Mrs. Gillette had no connection with the White House, but due to the book's success, she co-authored later editions with Hugo Ziemann. Ziemann was a respected chef and steward, apparently having worked for some of the finest hotels and as caterer to the exiled son of Napolean III. He also had served as steward to President Grover Cleveland. Mrs. Gillette lived to be 98, but no one lives forever, though books may, so the White House Cook Book has been continued by others. The most recent edition appeared in 1999, and included recipes from Hillary Clinton and Barbara Bush. I don't know what the value of your edition of this book is, but probably low to mid double digits depending on condition.

AE


Marcus A. McCorison October 02, 2004

Ken Leach has lived and worked out of his home in Brattleborough,
Vermont, for the past 30 +++ years. I believe he began in N.H. but that
was long ago. Glad you are working on his catalogues as he has sold
interesting material for ages. He is now in poor health and no longer
very active -- but he is still at it!!

+o+o+o+o+o+o+o+o+o+o+o

Marcus A. McCorison

3601 Knightsbridge Close

Worcester, MA. 01609-1161

508-791-3668

mamcc@att.net


Nat Des Marais October 01, 2004

Good morning everyone,

I enjoyed your article on Forum's virtual tour and just wanted to let you know that we have had a virtual tour of our shop for the last 2 1/2 years and we are only 300 miles form you. You might want to give it a try at www.heritagebookshop.com. Always enjoy your AE monthly.

Best till later,


Nat Des Marais

Heritage Book Shop, Inc

8540 Melrose Ave.

Los Angeles, CA 90069

nd@heritagebookshop.com

(310) 659-3674

FAX: 659-4872


Joel Kovarsky September 27, 2004

Based on your basic structure, I'm sending along a couple of links you might want to see. I had actually published an article on the book search engines on the web in the waning issues of Mercators World.

See:

1. www.theprimemeridian.com/collectorguide.htm. This will come out in print form in the winter issue of The Portolan (journal of the Washington Map Society), and will be updated online two or three times a year. The hard part will be keeping it brief.

2. www.theprimemeridian.com/webbooks.html. This has been available for some time, and although in format much different than your article on the book search engines, I think the ultimate conclusions re: ABE aren't that far off.


Regards. Joel Kovarsky

Joel Kovarsky for THE PRIME MERIDIAN

385 Thistle Trail, Danville, VA 24540 USA

Phone: 434/724-1106; Fax: 434/799-0218

email: tpm@theprimemeridian.com

Website: www.theprimemeridian.com/webbooks.html.

Member, International Antiquarian Mapsellers Association


Samuel Hough September 07, 2004

I read Michael Stillman's article with the interest of someone who sells books on the internet (through Tom Folio.com, the site of a co-op of independent booksellers) and one who buys nearly daily. I was not surprised that Mr. Stillman found the sites limited. They are indeed. The most useful book search in my experience is the mega-search Bookfinder. com. I looked up Stillman's test title and turned up 28 plus copies immediately. Froogle will be a powerful tool soon, but Bookfinder is the best book search now.

Samuel Hough

The Owl at the Bridge

25 Berwick Lane

Cranston, Rhode Island (USA) 02905-3708

401-467-7362

Our TomFolio site: http://www.tomfolio.com/shop/OwlBridge/default.asp

Our own website: http://www.owlbridge.com/


. August 04, 2004

You probably know by now that Bruce Evan McKinney has gotten himself into
some hot water with at least one ABAA member. One must be careful about
calling certain people "a liar." Some people take this very seriously.

My concerns, raised to Mr. McKinney in the past, is that the same dealers,
who are specialists in Americana, seem to be singled out, for their
catalogues, for biographies, etc. Did you do a report on Glenn Horowitz,
and the deal he did with the media giant in England, when he sold him a
collection of FDR letters for about $3 million, and then appraised them at
something like $8 to $12 million. This was covered by the NY Times, and
is being investigated by the Federal Government, including, I think, the
Attorney General, and maybe the SEC.

I know that the young woman who was writing for you had once worked for
Glenn Horowitz, so you may not wish to cover that.

You must broaden your approach to the book business, and try not to
compete with dealers, and be "fair and balanced," unlike the Fox News
Channel, if you are going to gain the confidence of the approximately 500 dealers in the ABAA. Also, it would be a good idea to not irritate the membership by soliciting members, and handing out surveys on or within a mile of the premises of one of the ABAA Fairs.

Sincerely,


Bruce J. Ramer



Response

Dear Mr. Ramer,

I enjoy the book business and understand there will sometimes be disputes and always two sides. We provide services to enable the field to obtain information quickly. We don’t sell books although many members do.

We are always looking at potential stories. Allegations however are only allegations although you may have already reached a verdict both about Mr. Horowitz and the Americana Exchange.



Our site is open to all persons who find it of value. For those who do not, maybe we will meet again in the future.

Bruce McKinney

AE


Lachlan McIntosh August 04, 2004

It has been three years since I took the plunge into the somewhat dusty cheerfulness of dealing in used books. This intriguing world with its tantalizing discoveries and fascinating folks is one I would love to share with your readers. From the precious entries in a handwritten, original Civil War era canal diary discovered tucked away in my late father's library, to the local connection with abolitionist John Brown and two very rare, signed Zane Grey novels that have recently come into my possession, (and many stories in between) I believe I can involve readers who love books on a personal level. Please contact me if I've piqued your interest.


Lachlan McIntosh


Editor's Note

Lachlan McIntosh forgot to include a contact address. Please give us one. Thanks.


Greg Delzer August 04, 2004

Hello. We've discussed these website ranking articles on the discussion boards at Abebooks.com, and someone mentioned an important caveat: these rankings would be much more useful if they tracked book BUYER hits. The relative strength of Abebooks.com, for example, is perhaps skewed, as book sellers routinely use Abebooks' advanced search feature in looking up books that they intend to list, rather than buy. So, many of the hits, perhaps even the majority of them, as Abebooks announces that its sellers are listing 50,000 new books a day, are not coming from the most important demographic, the book buyers. I believe that this would be important to mention in a followup as it pertains to all book websites, albeit to
different levels. Thanks.

--Greg Delzer

Defunct Books


Shawn Grey July 31, 2004

Saturday 31 July 2004

Re: Your column on: The NYHS and Gilder-Lehrman

Dear Mr. Stillman:

Your column gets at the complex reasons donors give. I personally think it will be fine for the G-L collection to the housed at the NYHS because collections are increasingly becoming electronic. We will see, if we have not already seen (and I simply haven't noticed), that online exhibitions will begin to include displays from multiple locations, all in a single show. The story of Jefferson and the Lewis and Clarke exhibition can potentially include material on electronic (loan?) from the Smithsonian, the University of Virginia, the University of Nebraska, various private collectors and of course the New York Historical Society. The curator will electronically review all material for potential inclusion, select and sequence the presentation and write the accompanying text - all the while the materials sit safely under glass and under lock and key. The curator may in fact be someone who never travels but is hardly ever home.

This is the way exhibits are going to be and the NYHS should take the lead to curate these national shows and in that way turn their supposed weakness into a substantial strength. That will secure for themselves the G-L collection and provide leadership in the museum field to extend the reach of historical collections into the farthest classroom.

The NYHS is only operating under a disadvantage if they think they are. It's clear however they are not.

Sincerely yours,

Shawn Grey



Writer's Response

Very interesting points. The nature of what is in the NYHS collection, or that of any other institution, remains important so long as the display, even if online, is only from its own materials. However, once you move to online displays using material from other institutions, then what is in the collection of any one institution is irrelevant. The NYHS could end up putting on the world's finest displays of European history despite having nothing pertaining to that subject in its collection. In fact, it wouldn't have to have a collection at all. In this situation, you could simply store all of your historical material, or one copy of documents of which there are many, in a common place like the Smithsonian, and anyone, institution, corporation, or private individual, could put on an exhibition. What role a repository like the NYHS would play in that world is not clear to me, but it sounds very different from any they have played in the past.

Fortunately for now, there are a lot of older people like me who still feel a certain awe in seeing if not touching the actual object, so there remains a place for the live as well as the online exhibition. As to whether the next generation, raised in a virtual world on a computer screen, will feel the same is not so clear.


Michael Stillman






Joel Kovarsky July 06, 2004

I understand the approach taken in your recent article, but find it a bit short-sighted. While some people want to rate everything in site (public opinion polls, Nielsen ratings, etc.), and perhaps make many decisions according to these computer generated lists, I suspect there are more discerning collectors and casual enthusiasts out there. I rather doubt that Google rankings alone are a reasonable arbiter of success. I won't quibble with the phenomenon of Ebay, or that more people may use one or another search site, but I suspect many discerning collectors or interested amateurs have different perspectives. The questions of material quality and focus, dealer experience, and other issues may influence many buyers not just browsing for the cheapest copy of a relatively common book. Perhaps you would not argue the point. I just think that your article is a bit short sighted with regards to advising both collectors and dealers, especially those who may elect not to run their lives by these rankings. Still, that isn't to say uselful information may not be gleaned, just that the singularity of the approach seems heavy handed and a bit intellectually narrow. I am not attempting to underestimate the need for some degree of digital sophistication in dealing with web issues, particularly if one wishes to attract younger clientel so heavily tied to this digital world. I am a bit curious about your statement: internet users are very unforgiving. One might push you on the validity and validation of that point, but I'm sure there are enough conflicting assertions to go around.

Regards. Joel Kovarsky for THE PRIME MERIDIAN

www.theprimemeridian.com


Chris Volk July 01, 2004

I found the statistics from the new search which you mentioned more than slightly  suspicious and unreliable. It is hard to believe that the
defunct site Bibliofind.com which now only feeds into Amazon's zshops, is ranked at #20.  Contrast this to Alexa's rankings - which has Bibliofind ranked over 2 million (2,745,395 the day I looked) - a ranking which seems much more accurate than #20!

Even the respective positions of Abebooks.com and Alibris are reversed on Alexa with ABE being noticeably higher ranked than Alibris (3811 vs 5602).

Chris Volk



Editor’s Response

I think your points about the reliability of Web Search are well-taken, but that the same can be said of the Alexa results too. Each is based on a very small sample, and while this may be acceptable under circumstances that assure the samples are representative, Web Search and Alexa base their results on people who use their toolbars, which may or may not be representative.

Alexa results might appear to be a bit more tainted for use in the book field. Alexa is owned by Amazon, and they caution that their results may be skewed by having more Amazon users than is typical of the net. However, looking at their results, there’s no obvious signs of distortion. In either case, both of these sites warn of things that will distort results, among them the fact that they gather results only from the Internet Explorer browser (meaning AOL search results are ignored), and Windows software (meaning Apple users are ignored).

Another significant factor is the make-up of their audience. For example, anyone downloading one of these toolbars is likely to be more web-savvy than the average websurfer. Such people may prefer different types of sites to the average visitor. Alexa cautions to be particularly careful when rankings get below 100,000, as the number of visitors to these sites vis a vis the number of people using their toolbar may make it hard to accurately reflect results. I think these rankings should carry the same caution you see in the sports betting lines in the newspaper: “these predictions should be used for entertainment purposes only.” They can provide a useful, general view of what’s happening, but don’t bet your lifesavings on them.

Sites showing up in the first few thousand are clearly very highly visited. Those with rankings within the first few hundred thousand are more viewed than those of over 500,000 or a million. A ranking in the hundreds of thousands is a very good performance for a niche site (for example, a bookseller’s website), though not for a large portal like Yahoo. These services can provide a useful guide for those evaluating websites, but should not be taken too literally when it comes to their rankings.


cyb June 09, 2004

All you "Book People" out to say Goliaht, to bookavenue.com. The fees are quite fair. I have my inventory listed there-what I have been able to get done so far-and am pleased with my web page there. I will continue to list the rest of my inventory there. My web page is http://www.bookavenue.com/hosted/crew1234. You will also find my phone number and address if you are looking for certain books. I have quite a variety too numerous to list. So long, Cecilia Toccoa, Georgia 706:776-1060


William M. Klimon May 01, 2004

Michael Stillman should note the following discussion from *The Oxford Companion to Shakespeare*, ed. M. Dobson & S. Wells (Oxford, 2001), s.v. "Shakespeare as a surname": "Over 80 spellings of the name are recorded by E.K. Chambers (*William Shakespeare*, 1930), including 'Shaxpere' in the marriage license and 'Shaxberd' in the Revels account. Shakespeare uses variant forms in his surviving signatures, but the now standard spelling predominates, sometimes hyphenated, in printed documents including the dedications to the poems and the Folio. 'Shakespear', popular in the 18th century, was used by [George Bernard] Shaw; another spelling reformer, F.J. Furnivall, preferred 'Shakspear'."

Best regards,

William M. Klimon


Laurie Stewart April 02, 2004

"....And then there’s the behemoth from the North." The monster from the North is singular i.e Microsoft. Therefore you should use Behemah, the singular. Best wishes.


Editor's note: This pertains to the article "Abe increases rates; Alibris is going public; what's next for the book sites?" in the April issue of AE Monthly.


Rick Russell April 01, 2004

Michael Stillman gives us a nice and probably accurate picture of online bookselling today. And, indeed a good big man generally beats a good little man. There are a group of us, however, ready to play David in this convention of Goliaths. We think we've got a pretty good stone to fling, AB Bookman's Weekly, (Click Here),
We are all book people, and that is, in itself, an advantage, and while we aren't rah, rah enough to predict victory, we will be a factor, count on it.


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