• <center><b>Forum Auctions<br>Fine Books, Manuscripts and Works<br>on Paper including Books from The Collection of The Garden Ltd<br>November 21, 2019</b>
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Bohr (Niels). <i>On the Constitution of Atoms and Molecules,</i> first edition, presentation copy, offprint 1913. £20,000 to £30,000
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Shakespeare's Falstaff.- Henry V & Sir John Fastolf. Indenture agreement appointing Fastolf as Keeper of the Bastille of St Anthony at Paris, manuscript in French, 1421. £10,000 to £15,000
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> World.- Purchas (Samuel). <i>Purchas his Pilgrimes. In Five Books...,</i> 5 vol., first edition, 7 folding engraved maps, contemporary calf, by William Stansby for Henrie Fetherstone, 1625-26. £20,000 to £30,000
    <center><b>Forum Auctions<br>Fine Books, Manuscripts and Works<br>on Paper including Books from The Collection of The Garden Ltd<br>November 21, 2019</b>
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Book of Hours.- Use of Rouen, manuscript on vellum, in Latin and French, illuminated with 14 full-page miniatures by the workshop or follower of the Maitre de l'Echevinage, Rouen, 1480s. £20,000 t0 £30,000
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Giese (Raban, ?scholar and medical doctor). Album Amicorum of drawing on his travels and acquaintances in Europe 1618-21, 134 watercolour illustrations including c. 60 professional miniatures, 1618-39. £30,000 to £40,000
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Jones (David). 14 Autograph Letters signed, 1952-68; and a small quantity of ephemera (sm. qty). £6,000 to £8,000
    <center><b>Forum Auctions<br>Fine Books, Manuscripts and Works<br>on Paper including Books from The Collection of The Garden Ltd<br>November 21, 2019</b>
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Constable (John). Various Subjects of Landscape, Characteristic of English Scenery, signed presentation inscription from Constable, 1833. £6,000 to £8,000
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Rembrandt van Rijn (1606-1669). The Descent from the Cross: Second Plate, etching and engraving, 1633. £6,000 to £8,000
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Salvin (Francis Henry) and William Brodrick. <i>Falconry in the British Isles,</i> second edition, William Brodrick's copy with 3 original watercolours by him, 1873. £8,000 to £12,000
    <center><b>Forum Auctions<br>Fine Books, Manuscripts and Works<br>on Paper including Books from The Collection of The Garden Ltd<br>November 21, 2019</b>
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> China.- Helman (Isidore Stanislas Henri). <i>Suite des seize estampes representant les conquetes de l'Empereur de la Chine,</i> 1783-88. £10,000 to £15,000
    <b>Forum Auctions, Nov. 21:</b> Pratt (Edward Roger, 1789-1863). Album of 28 watercolours and other works on paper from a journey to ancient sites and monuments in the Mediterranean, [c.1830 and later]. £3,000 to £5,000
  • <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> SMITH, CHRISTOPHER WEBB. 1793-1871. <i>Indian Ornithology.</i> [Patna, India]: 1828. $50,000 to $80,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> DUPRÉ, LOUIS. 1789-1837. <i>Voyage à Athènes et à Constantinople, ou Collection de portraits, vues et costumes grecs et ottomans.</i> Paris: Dondey-Dupré, 1825. $60,000 to $90,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> ADAMS, JOHN. Autograph Letter Signed ("J Adams"), [to Dr. Perkins?] while recovering from his small pox inoculation, [late-April, 1764]. $30,000 to $50,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> AUSTEN, JANE. Autograph Letter Signed ("J. Austen"), to her sister Cassandra, 4 pp, "Thursday – after dinner," [September 16, 1813,] Henrietta St. $80,000 to $120,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> AUDUBON, JOHN JAMES. 1785-1851. <i>The Birds of America, from Drawings Made in the United States and Their Territories.</i> New York & Philadelphia: J.J. Audubon & J.B. Chevalier, 1840-1844. $20,000 to $30,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> DODWELL, EDWARD. 1767-1832. <i>Views in Greece.</i> London: Rodwell and Martin, 1821. $20,000 to $30,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> JAMES, JESSE. Autograph Letter Signed ("Jesse W. James"), to Mr. Flood demanding Flood retract spurious accusations, 3 pp, June 5, 1875. $200,000 to $300,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> DE CORDOBA, JACOB. <i>Map of the State of Texas.</i> New York, 1866. $15,000 to $20,000
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> ARNOLD, BENEDICT. Autograph bookseller's receipt for Dr. John Dickinson, Signed ("B. Arnold"), February 1767. $3,000 to $5,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> EINSTEIN, ALBERT. 4 Typed Letters Signed ("A Einstein") to Cleveland E. Dodge offering early reports on the meetings of the Emergency Committee of Atomic Scientists. $10,000 to $15,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> EISENHOWER, DWIGHT D. Typed Letter Signed ("Dwight D. Eisenhower") to General Henri Giraud written from a secret bunker in Gibraltar on the eve of Operation Torch, November 4 [but 6], 1942. $10,000 to $15,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> Early Broadside Printing of the GADSDEN PURCHASE, Puebla, August 16, 1854. $2,000 to $3,000.
    <b>Bonhams, Oct. 23:</b> ALLEN, ETHAN. Autograph Letter Signed to Crevecouer during the Constitutional Debates in Congress, 2 pp, August 29, 1787. $30,000 to $50,000.
  • <center><b>Chiswick Auctions<br>Books & Works on Paper,<br>to include Travel, Sciences, <br>Sport & Illustrated Art<br>November 20, 2019</b>
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> [Herberstein, Sigismund von, & al.] <i>Rerum Moscoviticarum…,</i> 4 plates, illustrations, folio, Andreas Wevhelius, Frankfurt, 1600. £1,500 to £2,000
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Bowen (Emmanuel) & Owen (John). <i>Britannia Depicta…,</i> fourth edition, engraved title and 273 maps, 4to, Thomas Bowles, 1753. £700 to £900
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Geographical Game.- Jefferys (Thomas). <i>The Royal Geographical Pastime or the Tour of Europe,</i> FIRST EDITION, engraving of Europe, map c. 507 x 665 mm, Thomas Jefferys, 1768. £600 to £800
    <center><b>Chiswick Auctions<br>Books & Works on Paper,<br>to include Travel, Sciences, <br>Sport & Illustrated Art<br>November 20, 2019</b>
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Germany.- Homann (Johann Baptist). <i>Atlas Novus Terrarum Orbis Imperia... Atlas von Deutschland,</i> engraved half title, 87 maps only, folio, Erben, Nuremberg, 1753. £8,000 to £10,000
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Iceland [Løvenørns (Poul)]. <i>Beskrivelse over den Iislandske…,</i> 10 engraved maps and plates, vignettes, 4to, Copenhagen, F. W. Thiele, 1788. £600 to £800
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Lewis (John Frederick). <i>Illustrations of Constantinople…,</i> FIRST EDITION, frontispiece and 26 views folio, T. McLean, D.& P. Colnaghi & John F. Lewis, [1838]. £2,000 to £3,000
    <center><b>Chiswick Auctions<br>Books & Works on Paper,<br>to include Travel, Sciences, <br>Sport & Illustrated Art<br>November 20, 2019</b>
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Lilford (Lord, Thomas Littleton Powys, 4th Baron). <i>Coloured Figures of the Birds of the British Islands,</i> 7 vol., second edition, [one of 450 sets], 421 plates, large 8vo, 1891-97. £1,800 to £2,200
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Londres [panorama], engraving, 350 x 520mm, chez Baltazar Moncornet, Paris, c.1666-68. £800 to £1,200
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Van Keulen (Joannes). <i> Niewe Pas Caarte Strekkende van Pta Cataon tot Pta Lamtaon…,</i> copper engraved map, hand coloured, 510 x 585mm, Amsterdam, [1753]. £1,200 to £1,500
    <center><b>Chiswick Auctions<br>Books & Works on Paper,<br>to include Travel, Sciences, <br>Sport & Illustrated Art<br>November 20, 2019</b>
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Goethe (Johann Wolfgang von). <i> Prologue dans le ciel, Traduction de Gerard de Nerval…,</i> 11 double sheets with calligraphic handwriting, 33 fine gouaches, Philippe Gonin, [Paris, c. 1932]. £400 to £600
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Murphy (Jill, author and illustrator) ARR. <i> Peace at Last & The Large Family: All in One Piece,</i> 10 pieces of original artwork from the two books, 1980 & 1987 (12). £1,800 to £2,000
    <b>Chiswick Auctions, Nov. 20:</b> Rembrandt (Harmensz. van Rijn). Christ at Emmaus: the larger plate, etching and drypoint, 212 x 161mm, sheet 225 x 170mm, 1654. £1,000 to £1,500
  • <b><center>Sotheby’s<br>Travel, Atlases, Maps and Natural History<br>Auction London 12 November<br>On view 8 – 11 November</b>
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Dinner plate from the British Antarctic Expedition (Terra Nova), 1910-1913, Dunn Bennett Patent. £2,000 to £3,000.
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Hermann Schlegel, and A.H. Verster van Wulverhorst. <i>Traité de Fauconnerie.</i> Leiden and Dusseldorf, 1844-1853. £30,000 to £40,000.
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Pierre Joseph Redouté. Album de Redouté. Paris, [1824]. £50,000 to £60,000.
    <b><center>Sotheby’s<br>Travel, Atlases, Maps and Natural History<br>Auction London 12 November<br>On view 8 – 11 November</b>
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Jakob Christoph Trew. <i>Hortus nitidissimis omnen per annum superbiens floribus.</i> Nuremberg, 1750 [-1786]. £70,000 to £90,000.
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Samuel de Champlain. <i>Les voyages de la Novvelle France occidentale, dite Canada</i>. Paris, 1640. £50,000 to £70,000.
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Levinus Vincent. <i>Wondertooneel der Nature.</i> Amsterdam, 1706-1715, two volumes bound in one. £10,000 to £15,000.
    <b><center>Sotheby’s<br>Travel, Atlases, Maps and Natural History<br>Auction London 12 November<br>On view 8 – 11 November</b>
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Louis Dupré. <i>Voyage a Athénes et à Constantinople.</i> Paris, 1825. £40,000 to £50,000.
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Abraham Ortelius. <i>Theatrum orbis terrarum... The Theatre of the Whole World.</i> London, 1606 (colophon: 1608). £70,000 to £100,000.
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> <i>Description de l'Égypte.</i> Paris, 1809-1828, FIRST EDITION, 35 volumes, housed in custom mahogany cabinet. £250,000 to £350,000.
    <b><center>Sotheby’s<br>Travel, Atlases, Maps and Natural History<br>Auction London 12 November<br>On view 8 – 11 November</b>
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Giovanni Battista Belzoni. Plates illustrative of the researches and operations of G. Belzoni in Egypt and Nubia. London, 1822. £2,000 to £3,000.
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> United Arab Emirates. A collection of 218 historic photographs. [c.1901 to early 1960s.]. £50,000 to £70,000.
    <b>Sotheby’s London, Nov. 12:</b> Tingqua (Guan Lianchang). A boxed set of ten albums containing 123 Chinese paintings. [Canton, c.1830]. £30,000 to £40,000.

Rare Book Monthly

Book Catalogue Reviews - July - 2016 Issue

Estate and Parish Maps, Plans, Surveys, from Michael Kemp Bookseller, Gresham Books, and Peter Hill Books

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Estate and parish maps and plans.

Michael S. Kemp Bookseller, together with Gresham Books and Peter Hill Books, have combined to create a catalogue of very specific, unusual material. The title is Estate & Parish Maps, Plans, Surveys, Valuations, and Terriers from the 17th to the 20th Century. A Catalogue of Manuscripts and Printed Rarities. This contains primarily rural British material, which is why its title may seem odd to Americans. Why are they offering small dogs with things such as maps and surveys? It turns out "terriers" has another meaning in England I have not seen before. It refers to registers landowners kept, containing such information as land descriptions, a list of tenants, accounting of rents, and the like. This type of terrier fits better with maps and surveys than with a kennel.

 

The three partners made a joint purchase of a few early estate plans a few years back, which led them to think a catalogue of such material has not been seen in a very long time. The result was a continued pursuit for more such items and the production of a catalogue of them. Most of the items are in manuscript though there are some printed ones as well. Here are a few examples of the material you will find in this uncommon selection.

 

We begin with the Plans of Estates Belonging to William Witham Esq. 1796. This contains 13 hand-colored plans for Witham's estates in Yorkshire and Durham in the north of England. It also contains a list of the property and field names. While the surveyor's name is not given, it was likely one of the Fryer family, who were the notable surveyors in Durham at the time. Witham, of Cliff (or Cliffe), had inherited the estate from his father, which in turn likely went back several generations. However, he had no children. As a result, it all went to his niece, Eliza, who married Henry Silvertop. Silvertop thereby adopted the Witham name and coat of arms, becoming lord of the manor. Silvertop Witham is of some note for his research with fossils. It is likely that William Witham put these plans together in preparing his will and for the passing of his estate. He died six years later, in 1802. Item 7. Priced at £2,500 (British pounds, or roughly $3,671 in U. S. dollars). Note: Overseas buyers may now find better prices as these are pre-Brexit exchange rates.

 

Next up we have a set of plans for an estate on the other end of England, in Netherbury, Dorset. Item 24 displays the Cultivation of Hincknole Oates Farm in 1847. It was put together by a Mr. Ackerman, perhaps an overseer. It contains six field plans showing such things as crops, boundaries, fences and gates. Additionally, there are 19 pencil drawings of the farmhouse and the outbuildings. Among the outbuildings are stables, coach house, rickyard (hay storage), and bailiff's house (overseer). This may have been prepared for a new owner or tenant, or perhaps the manager of the extensive operation. £2,500 (US $3,671).

 

Rather than just admiring someone else's estate, here is a chance to purchase one of your own. Perhaps it is a bit late since this offer was made in 1850. Item 27 is a single sheet describing the Plan of Thorn House, and Estate, in Somersetshire. It was being offered "For Sale by Private Contract." You may contact Slade and Vining solicitors if interested, though they may be hard to find. They filed for bankruptcy in 1857. This sheet features an engraved image of the fine house along with a plan of the land. It notes that the house has "commanding views of the celebrated Montacute and Hamdon Hills." The booksellers note that it appears that the estate was owned by Charles Pearson, who was succeeded by his son Charles Knight Pearson, and a sale to someone outside the family was not completed until 1869. £100 (US $147).

 

The adjacent county of Hampshire is home to Portsmouth Harbor. Item 15 is a plan for that harbor, a pen and ink drawing with watercolors. It is headed Plan of Portsmouth Harbor with Sketches of the Adjacent Places Taken by the Masters Attendant in the Years 1784 and 1785. Revised and Corrected Shewing All Alterations Which Have Taken Place Since Those Periods. This update of the original plan was made circa 1820. The Master Attendant at the time was James Park, who served from the 1790's to most likely 1822 or 1823. £1,800 (US $2,639).

 

This town plan shows later markings and coloring reflecting a great tragedy. Item 18 is The Ground Plan of the Town and Environs of Collumpton From a Survey Made July 1831 (the preferred spelling for this Devon town today appears to be Cullompton). The survey by R. P. Davey has been marked to show which homes were insured, including those just for contents but not structures. Cullompton suffered a great fire in 1839, some 145 houses and other buildings (maybe more) destroyed. The key also shows which lots had "ruins from the late fire." Cullompton today has 8,500 residents and, according to Wikipedia, "features many low points such as flooding, poor waste management, poor communication, lack of community spirit, low police presence and high council tax." Is this objective or does some Wikipedia writer have a grudge against this town? £1,500 (US $2,203).

 

Orders and questions concerning this joint catalogue should addressed to Michael S. Kemp Bookseller. Kemp may be reached at +44 (0) 1795 663675 or orders@kempbooksellers.co.uk. The website is found at www.michaelkemp.co.uk.

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  • <center><b>Ketterer Rare Books<br>Auction on November 25th</b>
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b> Fust-Schöffer-Bibel from Gutenberg-Press, 1462. Est: € 1,000,000
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>J. W. Weinmann, <i>Phytanthoza-Iconographia,</i> 1735-45. Est: € 60,000
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>O. Kokoschka, <i>Die träumenden Knaben,</i> 1917. Est: € 10,000
    <center><b>Ketterer Rare Books<br>Auction on November 25th</b>
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>Z. Lilius, <i>Orbis breviarium,</i> 1493. <br>Est: € 10,000
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b> <i>Gazette du Bon Ton,</i> 1912-22.<br>Est: € 14,000
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>M. Chagall, <i>Daphnis & Chloé,</i> 1961. Est: € 100,000
    <center><b>Ketterer Rare Books<br>Auction on November 25th</b>
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>C. Ptolemaeus, <i>Geographie,</i> 1513.<br>Est: € 100,000
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>E. L. Kirchner, <i>Umbra vitae,</i> 1924.<br>Est: € 6,000
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>J. Miró, <i>Midi le trèfle blanc,</i> 1968. Est: € 2,000
    <center><b>Ketterer Rare Books<br>Auction on November 25th</b>
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b> Clemens V., <i>Constitutiones,</i> 1471.<br>Est: € 14,000
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>C. Gesner, <i>Tierbuch, Vogelbuch, Fischbuch,</i> 1563-81. Est: € 5,000
    <b>Ketterer Rare Books, November 25:</b><br>M. Beckmann, <i>Fanferlieschen Schönefüßchen,</i> 1924. Est: € 10,000
  • <center><b>Skinner Auctions <br>Fine Books & Manuscripts <i>online</i><br> November 11-17
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  • <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 4. First printed world map to depict western Australia, 1680. Est. $7500 - $9000
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 31. One of the finest celestial charts ever produced, 1708. Est. $2500 - $3250
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 35. Stunning French armillary sphere, 1805. Est. $4000 - $5000
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 47. Speed's popular carte-a-figures map of the Americas, 1626. Est. $4750 - $6000
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 110. 1960 election map of the United States, 1960. Est. $250 - $325
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 115.<br>Arrowsmith's large-format map used by Lewis & Clark, 1802. Est. $8000 - $10000
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 359. German WWI propaganda map showing a "European brawl", 1914. Est. $1400 - $1700
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 380. The "Beetle" map of northern Europe, 1746. Est. $240 - $300
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 476. Braun & Hogenberg's first plan of Moscow, 1575. Est. $2400 - $3000
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 582. The first European-printed map of China, 1584. Est. $5500 - $6500
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 673. Complete French atlas with 62 maps in contemporary color, 1787. Est. $2750 - $3500
    <b>Old World Auctions (Nov 13):</b> Lot 676. Finley's early and important American atlas, 1828. Est. $4500 - $5500
  • <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> William P. Welsh, <i>Vacation Lands Are Calling / Go in Pullman,</i> 1936. $1,500 to $2,000.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> Paul Proehl, <i>Chicago for the Tourist / Illinois Central,</i> 1925. $5,000 to $7,500.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> James Northfield, <i>Wattle Time / Travel By Train,</i> circa 1925. $4,000 to $6,000.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> John O. Brubaker, <i>California / America’s Vacation Land / New York Central Lines,</i> 1925. $10,000 to $15,000.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> <i>Montauk Beach,</i> designer unknown, circa 1929. $15,000 to $20,000.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> Otto Brennemann, <i>Football / Notre Dame by South Shore Line,</i> 1926. $7,000 to $10,000.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> Guy Arnoux, <i>Air France / Amérique du Nord,</i> 1946. $3,000 to $4,000.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> Joseph Feher, <i>Yosemite / United Air Lines.</i> $2,000 to $3,000.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> Roger Broders, <i>Le Tour du Mt. Blanc,</i> 1927. $5,000 to $7,500.
    <b>Swann Auction Galleries Nov 14:</b> Leslie Ragan, <i>The Transportation Parade of the Years / Great Lakes Exposition,</i> 1936. $3,000 to $4,000.

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